tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post433082585573943059..comments2024-01-13T07:04:29.167-05:00Comments on Kapp Notes: It's Not Gibberish, It's Learning as a ProcessKarl Kapphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10586071112339563727noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-48982621978506549712008-10-15T12:05:00.000-05:002008-10-15T12:05:00.000-05:00Ahh Designeronline, Unfortunately, that is too tru...Ahh Designeronline, <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, that is too true. Many designers do believe in "Learning as a Process" but few of us get to practice what we know because of many corporate limitations. <BR/><BR/>So, alas...I agree. Perhaps if we "spit up" on management more often about a one-and-done learning event it would help (Ok, is that carrying the baby analogy thing too far?)Karl Kapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10586071112339563727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-62738570907195678992008-10-13T19:51:00.000-05:002008-10-13T19:51:00.000-05:00I have to disagree..being a learning and performan...I have to disagree..being a learning and performance training professional what else did you expect. All kidding aside. It is not the training professionals who believe our training "events" are the cure all but the leaders within our organization. They send their associates to training with the expectation that they will be able to perform right out of the shute and if that doesn't happen we are to blame for their deficiencies. When we suggest coaching, feedback, mentoring. You guessed it....back to training they come.Designeronlinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06821060037416883713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-53768642578061532742008-10-09T22:29:00.000-05:002008-10-09T22:29:00.000-05:00Marguerite--Yes we should. In fact we should use b...Marguerite--Yes we should. In fact we should use business measurements as evaluation of success. They tend to be a result of a process.Karl Kapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10586071112339563727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-3134696822659023952008-10-09T22:28:00.000-05:002008-10-09T22:28:00.000-05:00Bart, True didn't Albert Einstein once say that he...Bart, <BR/>True didn't Albert Einstein once say that he never memorized anything he could look up. Expense report completion is something you can look up.<BR/><BR/>Brent, thanks, sounds like a great book, I have to check it out. I can't even get everyone to have a degree in the field let alone have kids...boy you set the bar hi:)<BR/><BR/>Sorry I'll mis DevLearn.Karl Kapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10586071112339563727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-92217277988948666142008-10-09T14:55:00.000-05:002008-10-09T14:55:00.000-05:00I am a consultant in the training industry, and so...I am a consultant in the training industry, and something my boss and I repeated tell clients is only about 10% of the learning occurs at the event. It's the coaching, support, and reinforcement on the job that brings it home.<BR/><BR/>So if learning is a process, shouldn't we use evaluation systems that measure the process instead of the event? Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-53213499479908805392008-10-09T08:45:00.000-05:002008-10-09T08:45:00.000-05:00Great post, Karl! I'm right there with ya. I'm s...Great post, Karl! I'm right there with ya. I'm starting to think that having kids should be a pre-request for any graduate study in Instructional Design or EdTech or whatever. I know, totally unrealistic. But, I've learned more about Learning from my kids than from any professor I've ever had.<BR/>On a side note, the brain researchers are starting to put out some great data addressing exactly the issues you talk about. I would highly encourage everyone to read Dr. Medina's book, "Brain Rules"...Its Outstanding!!! I'm really looking forward to meeting him at DevLearn this year too. <BR/>Cheers!<BR/>Brentbschlenkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13519463877110474192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-1658560626353365482008-10-09T08:33:00.000-05:002008-10-09T08:33:00.000-05:00One issue I've found myself confronting came out o...One issue I've found myself confronting came out of a Don Norman's "Design of Everyday Things". He argues that for learning, you design for two types of information:<BR/>- information that needs to be internalized 'inside the head'<BR/>- information that is in the world<BR/><BR/>In your example of filling out an expense form, that's knowledge I would consider 'in the world' so to speak. Why make ALL your employees go through a 1-2 hour training event when it's much easier to simply create a just-in-time reference for those that need this information ~5 times a year?<BR/><BR/>I've been thinking about this 'information in the world' concept, which seems similar to just-in-time learning, when the information is something the learner only needs for a brief amount of time. <BR/><BR/>Not everything needs to be internalized (nor can it :)Barthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03614482627121562357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-46862615871478364982008-10-09T06:38:00.000-05:002008-10-09T06:38:00.000-05:00Dishing---do I really have to answer that question...Dishing---do I really have to answer that question?<BR/><BR/>Cammy--Every age of a child's development is so incredible, it is so neat to watch them grow up. What a great idea to have a "Job Growth" chart or something like that.:)Karl Kapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10586071112339563727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-77577874986717195342008-10-08T16:17:00.000-05:002008-10-08T16:17:00.000-05:00My 4-month is in that gurgling bubbling stage and ...My 4-month is in that gurgling bubbling stage and it is delightful. <BR/><BR/>So how about we put people's job performance on the baby language acquisition scale? Instead of getting a rating of 1-10 on your next performance review, your boss tells you that you're finally learning to rhyme.<BR/><BR/>As an instructional designer, I think I'm at the 1-2 year old stage, creating two word sentences...Cammy Beanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14164253880427035485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34592362.post-90971989458695353312008-10-08T14:14:00.000-05:002008-10-08T14:14:00.000-05:00Thank you! This was a nice "rant" as you called it...Thank you! This was a nice "rant" as you called it on Facebook. I like how you took it down to the basics to elaborate the significance of the process that we tend to not notice or ignore, etc. Hopefully the baby analogies are just that and not an idication that you have been communicating with those who have a language set of three letters and a tendency to drool! :)The Dishing Duohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09185697771710333450noreply@blogger.com